I’ll be the first to admit that I have a very narrow minded view on the world when it comes to money. I hate wasting money, and I’m not too fond of watching other people waste it either.
Lotto
This Tuesday (30th October) is the 70 million OZ Lotto draw.

In OZ Lotto, a total of 9 balls are selected in which you need to have the first 7 to collect the major prize. The final 2 balls are supplementary numbers, which are used to calculate the other prize pools.
For those of you who don’t know much about the various Australian lotteries, this one has odds of 45,379,620 – 1 and a game costs $1.35. Note: If multiple people win the major prize, the 70 million is shared equally between them.
Lets recap on the odds of picking up first division for a minute – Forty five million, three hundred and seventy nine thousand, six hundred and twenty to one! Just typing that felt like I deserved some sort of a prize…
Fantasy Land
Each time there is a lottery with a major prize of more than $20 million, one of my colleagues will walk around the office rattling his lottery tin looking for suckers people interested in entering the syndicate.
This ritual normally happens a few days prior to the actual draw, and can involve anywhere between 25 – 70 people – all of which can’t wait to donate their money.
Normally the entire thing wouldn’t bother me, except I have to listen to each and everyone one of them tell me about how they are going to spend their winnings for the days leading up to the draw.
They feel that they have to express to me how great their lives are going to be when they suddenly become rich and can leave the rat race. I think this is because I am 1 of only 2 people in our team who never submits an entry.
I understand that for many of them, living in this magical fantasy world where they are expecting to receive untold riches, is a classic form of escapism. Unfortunately, it is likely going to be the only way that many of them will ever retire early.
Tortoise and the Hare
I understand and appreciate the value of money, that’s why I actively manage all aspects of our finances.
A couple of the key money management strategies I employ, which I feel are pertinent to lotteries are:
- Reduce money wastage
- Invest only in things which I feel have a good chance of a positive return
I feel that by managing my money, I have a better chance of ensuring that I will retire at least 10-15 years earlier than the standard retirement age. Just to be clear – I’m not looking to get rich overnight. I know that every dollar I spend now that doesn’t make a positive return, will only hurt me in achieving my goal of early retirement.
Reduce money wastage
I like to know where every dollar I earn is being spent. If I can cut back on something that’s unnecessary or frivolous, then I aim to do so.
That doesn’t mean that I don’t mind spending money on things which will provide me with enjoyment, or some other form of benefit. A few examples are:
- Going out to dinner with friends
- Renting or buying a DVD
- Purchasing a computer game
All of these things are enjoyable to me and I feel that it can be a good use of my money – when done in moderation.
Entering the regular lotto draw is not something that I feel is a good use of my money, and therefore the money could be better invested in furthering my goal of early retirement.
Invest only in things which I feel have a good chance of a positive return
This rule is in place for pretty much any activity, where the sole purpose of that activity is the expectation of a net financial gain.
I feel that I have no realistic chance of returning a profit (no matter how big the prize might be) so I just can’t bring myself to buy a lotto ticket.
My colleagues regularly tell me that “I have to me in it, to win it”. I can’t argue that point, its 100% true. Without an entry, my chances of winning the 70 million on Tuesday night are 0%.
I normally respond to my colleagues that their odds of winning are almost the same as mine, as 45,379,620 – 1 is close enough to 0% chance, so in my mind I may as well save my money.
To prove this point, one day I created a spreadsheet in excel with 45 million highlighted green cells and 1 highlighted red cell. I then asked the lotto entrants to find the red cell within the sea of green. Unsurprisingly, no one ever found the red cell until after I told them where to look.
I was going to do the same thing here today, but the excel file bloated out to 120mb and I didn’t want my hosting company to shut down my account. So I have devised a new example here.
There is 1 red cell in this spreadsheet between the borders of yellow cells located at column KA (scroll really far to the right) and row 174,538 (scroll even further to the bottom). The red cell location is specified on sheet 2 if you want to check that it’s really there. Good luck if you choose to go red cell hunting Note: The file is less than 1mb so it shouldn’t take very long to download.
A question to my readers
What are your thoughts on lotto? Perhaps you have had a big win and you can tell me how wrong I am?
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Thanks Glen

For me, the fun part about playing the lottery IS the escapism. Of course, we only play about five times a year for a grand total of $10. The problem is that some people spend way too much money on these silly things. It really is a poor tax. If they would actually save/invest all the money they spend on the lotto, they would be far better off.
So…can an American win this loto, and could you buy me a ticket?

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There must be something wrong with my brain… I only see the odds of winning and never get to the escapism bit. I think it’s because I know there is almost no chance of me winning
I know of at least one person who spends so much money on lotto each week that I think it is impacting on their ability to enjoy other aspects of their life. He always says he doesn’t have enough money and I get the feeling he feels like he needs to win big on lotto.
With the lottery you are paying for two things: 1) the fun of thinking of what you could do if you won and 2) the actual chance to win. I would say you are really more paying for 1 and 2 is just a bonus.
I do play from time-to-time if the jackpot goes above $100M
DC @ Young Adult Money recently posted..Why You Should Not Paint Your Apartment
I can appreciate your point of view. I just like to keep my feet firmly planted on the ground and remain realistic to my chances of winning.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with having a flutter, so long as you can afford it and you have a financial plan – One that doesn’t include winning the lotto.
I have played the same numbers for so long, I feel that I have to continue! WHAT IF when I stop they get called?! How could I get over that

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lol – I hadn’t thought of that! I imagine it would be pretty hard to swallow.
Have you ever won a big amount using your numbers?
Thinking about it – This makes me not want to play even more. If I don’t have any numbers to follow, I can’t be upset if they come up. Therefore I won’t be committed to playing for the rest of my life.
Seriously don’t start… it will just mess with you
– I have won a tenner a few times, but all in all it’s the worst investment ever!
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I reckon you wouldn’t say that if you had won 1st division though
We don’t really play- once a while my husband (usually) will get persuaded at work or at the convenience store to buy a ticket when the jackpot is huge but we’re talking less than 10 bucks a year. The whole dreaming thing is easy for people in crappy financial situations. For us right now, I defiantly let the dream get me if we buy a ticket, about how good my life will be when debt free but if you’re already debt free I get that it’s hard to give into the escapism aspect. I don’t even want to win the mega millions. My life would be a billion times better with 100k!
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10 bucks a year is nothing. I’m more thinking along the lines of those people who play $10 a week or per lottery.
It’s true that you have to be in it to win it! We don’t play the lotto often, our lotto habits are similar to @clubthrifty. 5 times a year, for a chance to daydream.
I did win a new car 5 years ago. A carmaker was running a contest at its dealerships. My husband went to play with a few friends, but I couldn’t go because of a work commitment. He didn’t win, but told me I had to try. I was driving home from work the next day and thought I should stop in and try so Derek will stop hassling me about it. To my shock, I WON!!!!!!
I don’t advocate playing the lottery as a financial plan, but someone who doesn’t care to rent a DVD on a Friday night, may get more value from a lotto ticket, and a chance to daydream. Everyone’s values are a little different.
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That’s amazing! I know people win big things, but I never seem to know them.
It sure puts my bowling ball I won to shame.
I never play the Lottery. Not because I have anything against it, but it just seems so obvious that you’re NOT going to win. About as crazy as I get is my father-in-law buys everyone scratch-off tickets for Christmas, so I may win $1 there. Yah! I love that you created a 120MB game in Excel to demonstrate the odds of playing the Lotto. That’s kind of funny!
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I didn’t mean for it to be 120mb, that’s just how big the file becomes when you color in 43 million cells.
I also don’t mind giving people the scratch and win tickets as gifts as it’s simple and many people quite like them.
Haha, I couldn’t find that red cell on your spreadsheet! I’ve never thought about it this way until you show like that. I must admit though I’m guilty of buying 10 lotto tickets on 460 million power ball drawing. Well, I didn’t win. I can’t say I’d do it for any other amount, but when the biggest powerball ever comes around – I must at least have a fraction of a chance. The $10 I spent on the tickets could have been easily wasted on a greasy pizza that clogs my arteries when I’m old.
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That’s the whole reason I did the spreadsheet. People tend to have unrealistic expectations when they enter and not fully appreciate the true odds.
What a great philosophy! I agree with you 100%, but must admit that we do buy tickets every once in a while…usually for gifts, but once in a while when it gets really big. We throw money away, yes. But it’s about $20/year. And that’s less than I waste on….pretty much anything else. We know we’re never going to win, but do get some enjoyment out of the anticipation.
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I find that if I am anticipating something and it doesn’t eventuate, I get pretty disappointed. It’s probably because I’m really goal orientated and I like to give myself the best possible chance of succeeding in whatever I do.
I’m not at all a lotto “believer”. My co-workers are really into buying tickets and always tell me that I’m going to be sorry when they win and quit their jobs and I’m still working. Honestly, I’m OK with that. I don’t think that they’re going to win and if they do I’d be happy for them. And if they don’t I’ll be saving that $5-10 per week that they waste on lotto tickets and scratch offs for my retirement

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I’m with you, I would be over the moon for them if they won. I just don’t really want to be a part of the constant disappointment.
I don’t ever buy power ball tickets, but have bought the scratch off one, though not lately. I like to put those in Christmas stockings sometimes. I have won the occasional $20 or so on those. I read somewhere that you are more likely to get struck by lightning several times than win the big lottos. Not very good odds, but I see lot of people buy them along with their pack of smokes and monster energy drinks.
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According to Wikipedia – The odds of an average person living in the US being struck by lightning in a given year is 1/1,000,000, while the odds of being struck by lightning in a lifetime is 1/10,000 (estimated lifespan of 80 years)
I might stop going outside in storms…
I think escapism can be pretty dangerous. Much better to go to sleep thinking about things you can actually do to affect your life and to focus on what is achievable. Better to just stop fantasizing about obscene wealth and be happy with what you have. I think that constantly longing for things we will never be able to have is not very healthy. That’s just me though and I’d never begrudge someone playing.
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I couldn’t agree more with your sentiment. It is very important to be happy with what you have and to set realistic and achievable goals.
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I’m with Club Thrifty on this one too. We play when it get’s super big, I’m not even sure what super big would be, but if people start doing pools at work I buy 1 ticket and my wife might by 1 ticket. We might pay $10 a year too. We also, go to the casino once a year, and spend $100 between the two of us, again this is completely for fun. It’s more like going to the movies for a few hours. We don’t expect to win, though we have, but it’s more about doing something together.
I have seen people who believe they are truly going to win big. I’ve seen a woman lose her house, the money she received from her husband’s life insurance and much more. She really thinks she is going to win, “her numbers are always one away so it’ll happen next time.” It’s been 30 years or more and next time hasn’t come yet.
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It is terrible to see some people get so engrossed in gambling, that they lose everything. I guess that’s why I like to take a pragmatic approach to it and only put my money into things that have a good chance of returning a positive outcome.
Thanks for posting!
I personally can not stand entering lotto. Throughout my childhood I watched my father enter every lotto draw (I think there were 3 or 4 a week) plus occasionally do a family syndicate as well plus buying 2 to 3 “scratchies” per week plus entering most of the prize homes draws that came around.
I learned at an early age that the “I won’t have to go to work tomorrow” line was complete fantasy and told my Dad more times than I can count that he should save the money because by the time he won anything decent, he would have already spent more than he won. He always agreed with me but continued and put any small winnings into the next weeks lotto or more scratchies.
I’m all for spending small amounts of money to enjoy the life you are living now, but the escapism, for me, never seemed worth the crushing disappointment that he would have after the draw has been completed.
We buy the occasional lotto ticket – if you are on budget and it’s coming out of your discretionary spending, it’s harmless fun. Though when I feel like gambling, I actually prefer to go to the casino.

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I agree, it can be harmless fun for some people, but others are easily addicted. When considering the odds – I think they are better off spending their money elsewhere.
If however you are able to control yourself and its budgeted for, then have at it!